Curse

Omega X · May 30, 2006, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

Lol
Danika is cool, she'll rebirth you right in to a mob off meele' foes, then after battle she'll fix her makeup before rezing and she is the # 1 tank in the game.

That is debatable. Mhenlo tends to tank A LOT in Cantha.

Cherng Butter · May 30, 2006, 09:26 PM // 21:26

I play a minion master in Cantha, and I only use real people for missions...and I have never had trouble with any of the henchies. I typically mow down scores of mobs over and over without anybody dropping (even when I don't have a minion army with me at the time...)

I personally find myself dying with PUGs, and not with henchies, though my profession probably has a lot to do with it...

Whiplashr · May 30, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

On the subject of henchies and stupid skill usage.. they need to remove Fire Storm from Cynn and other mage henchies that have it.

While we're at it, how about just remove the skill from the game altogether. It's become worthless and useless.

No one likes chasing down monsters that are fleeing. People, when forming groups, go out of their way to insist no one bring this skill. People scream bloody murder when someone DOES use it, because they hate all the enemies scattering.

In many areas of Factions, the hench selection is pretty bad. I hate being a position where Cynn or some other mage becomes a necessary evil. It never works out. I get sick of chasing down the enemies too.. so I end up having to take a different type of team than what I want.

I really wish ANET would wake up and realize how badly they screwed up when they introduced the AOE nerfs. NO ONE use this skill anymore.

TurinPT · May 30, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Zephro

IMO, the Canthan henchies cant hold a candle to the Canthan henchies.

that makes no sense.

and why all the hench bashing, I find them pretty good healers.
did most of the missions with only me and the heal hench as healers and most of the time I just stand and call targets, she does most of the healing by herself. =|

makosi · May 30, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

There should be a petition to bring Lina to Cantha. She was the best.

Evilsod · May 30, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel

He uses Kindle Arrows + Dual Shot + Power Shot to pump out mediocre amounts of damage, Practiced Stance to extend the duration of Kindle Arrows, and Troll Unguent for healing.
He attacks from a distance, so doesn't aggro as much, and hits the called target with ease, due to his ranged attacks, without the annoying in-battle pathfinding issues that the melee hench suffer from.

He's meh, but for his mediocrity, he gives you a reliable performance, without nearly as many issues as most of the other hench.

If you were actually expecting him to be godly in damage dealing i'd say theres something wrong with you. He's a ranger, at the best of times they're purely support. Although he could've used a slightly better elite... I never understood there reasoning for choosing Practiced as his elite.

I can't say i've used Aidan recently, but thats because i've been using my ranger alot with henchman. If i use another class, in pops Aidan. At least he's not an utter cretin like the rest of them. For a start i'm sure he's the only henchman that actually flees AoE and kites when huge warriors come after him. And more to the point, he has NO MELEE RANGE SKILLS. Healing Touch.... Blood Ritual.... that erm, touch RoF Lina seems to do alot.

Theres just 1 thing i don't get. Why is it when Dunham is standing still he casts Distortion all the time, yet when your running well ahead of the henchman, he doesn't bother? He's getting hit by projectiles from all angles yet will never once cast Distortion till he catches upto you...

Out of interest, do the henchman still have Purge Signet like they did in the FPE?

Mercury Angel · May 31, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

If you were actually expecting him to be godly in damage dealing i'd say theres something wrong with you. He's a ranger, at the best of times they're purely support. Although he could've used a slightly better elite... I never understood there reasoning for choosing Practiced as his elite.

By no means. It's just unfortunate that Anet doesn't even bother to equip minor runes on the hench, to the best of my knowledge, and Aidan is balancing 3 attributes.
And I agree on the Practiced Stance. Kindle Arrows has a decent duration, and the recharge was never an issue.

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

I can't say i've used Aidan recently, but thats because i've been using my ranger alot with henchman. If i use another class, in pops Aidan. At least he's not an utter cretin like the rest of them. For a start i'm sure he's the only henchman that actually flees AoE and kites when huge warriors come after him. And more to the point, he has NO MELEE RANGE SKILLS. Healing Touch.... Blood Ritual.... that erm, touch RoF Lina seems to do alot.

As I said, he pumps out mediocre damage. But I also said he's reliable, and doesn't have nearly as many AI quirks as the rest of the hench (the 'issues' mentioned).

Aidan nearly always finds a spot on my team in Tyria as well, when I'm henching.

I will never say he does a spectacular job, because he doesn't. But as far as henchmen go, he's dependable, predictable, and he gets the job done. And in the end, that's all I ask out of my henchies.

Phades · May 31, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

They could have made a gameshow out of one single question.

What will alesia do next?

Ill take claude using blood ritual for 200 alex.

Chase him around attempting to use healing touch. Of course he is using blood ritual on stephan and little thom, DOH!

The skill selections on the factions henchies are far better than before and the only real grievances i see are when the henchies actually try to res and when a ritualist hench decides to drop a spirit. The henchies in Zaishen challenge are mostly reliable by comparison, when it comes to using resurect skills.

Omega X · May 31, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Phades

They could have made a gameshow out of one single question.

What will alesia do next?

Ill take claude using blood ritual for 200 alex.

Chase him around attempting to use healing touch. Of course he is using blood ritual on stephan and little thom, DOH!

I never notice that. She always seems to use Healing Breeze on him(for me anyways).

Arkantos · May 31, 2006, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by Winds of Blood

Yesterday, I had to do most of the Kurzick quests with these pathetic henchmen, just because no one is ever willing to group up or w/e.

The pathetic henchman? I dont think they can be considered pathetic, since Ive completed the kurzick side of the game with all henchie parties. Im sure many others have, too.

Avarre · May 31, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09

The hench are kinda useless, kinda Ok. Depends on area.

Except Erys Vasburg. Anyone who thinks 'meh' about him hasn't used him...

Lukas isn't too bad either. The only problem I have with hench is they like to stay close, and eat triple Star Bursts together.

Theos · May 31, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by Avarre

The hench are kinda useless, kinda Ok. Depends on area.

Except Erys Vasburg. Anyone who thinks 'meh' about him hasn't used him...

Lukas isn't too bad either. The only problem I have with hench is they like to stay close, and eat triple Star Bursts together.

Vasburg makes me proud to be a mesmer, he owns 1/2 second cast spells, sadly I think he spams them sometimes and likes to die alot :P

Xellos · May 31, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Henchmen beating the entire game period is possible. However, that doesn't mean that henchmen don't suck. Anyone thinking otherwise needs to go grab their guilds precious GvG ranking and start using Henchways.

The AI of henchmen can be buffed. Whether or not is up to Anet. Buffing it up to something that doesn't match the average PvE player would be a god's send for some, but it would kill off any need to play with others ( some of us already don't bother at all ). There is some logic to restrain from upgrading the AI, but overall, if A.net wasn't so lazy, they'd just remake the whole henchmen AI into something that doesn't suck.

AI is probably the hardest gaming factor to perfect in the world. No game has a good AI so far. Even the ones that you BELIEVE is good, are actually just longer codes. The AIs don't actually think, they do what their built to do. What that means is either A) you shove a HUGE code per possibility so all the bases are covered or B) you just give some basic crap and we have henchies using sig of devotion with incredibly small divine stats and follow beside you taking melee hits just because your a melee characters.

At this point, anyone with enough patience and a bit of skill can beat every part of the game with henchmen. However, it is incredibly hard, almost impossible perhaps to finish things perfectly (such as getting all the master rewards on all missions or finishing legendary survivor). The AI is simply too much of a joke right now.

I don't see what's wrong if you just shove the henchies a few levels higher later. Their lack of common skills and decent builds should make up for the fact that they are bosses at that point. I mean really, do you think a lvl 22 monk is going to make all the difference in the world when she still runs into impossible odds from you being a melee character? COURSE, she might LIVE instead of getting ONE SHOTTED.

Hidden in the Mist · May 31, 2006, 02:54 AM // 02:54

If you run, the healer henchies won't do anything except trying to catch up to you. That means, no healing or anything; just running up to you.

Asplode · May 31, 2006, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Henchies aren't meant to simulate real people. Henchies are more like a... soy-based Player substitute, side effects include vomiting, nausea, inexplicable rage, thoughts of suicide, and death. Henchman aren't meant for everyone, consult your doctor before use.

salaboB · May 31, 2006, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by Phades

Ill take claude using blood ritual for 200 alex.

Chase him around attempting to use healing touch. Of course he is using blood ritual on stephan and little thom, DOH!

As a player, never try to use blood ritual on Alesia.

I once spent most of a mission chasing her around, she was actually running away from me whenever I got close.

Why? I have no idea. But it made it hard to give her more energy.

generik · May 31, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by Avarre

Except Erys Vasburg. Anyone who thinks 'meh' about him hasn't used him...

You obviously haven't tried the Luxon ranger interrupter hench.

If anything it has proven to me that my mesmer is worthless!

Maria The Princess · May 31, 2006, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Stabber

Danika does not have Rebirth. You are thinking of Redemptor Karl. Also, on the whole, she is the best healer henchman Guild Wars has yet seen (mainly because she doesn't use Healing Touch or Signet of Devotion).

actually, Mehlo is much better, IMO

Lord Sojar · May 31, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

Devona & Lukas: I wish these two would get a room already, seriously these two stand around eye balling each other while called target battle is going on.

Erys: He’s better then the Distortion casting freak.

Danika (a.k.a Duh’ika): if she wouldn’t let me die, when I am fighting she wont heal me when I just stand there wanting to die she keeps me alive go figure.

Redemptot: Think I know why he wears that huge as helm, it’s like a dunce hat but it keeps the retardedness from spreading to the other henchmen but some time’s it doesn’t work.

Ok dude, seriously, you made my guts ache with laughter, especially the distortion casting freak bit, and the redemptor bit! LOLLOLOLOOLOLOLOL! ROFLCOPTERS!

Zehnchu · May 31, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10

It must be just me who gets to experience these grand moments playing with henchmen. Seem that they don’t feel like attacking called target either.

Guess Redemptot anti-retard helm wasn’t working right, because he took four other henchmen with him on a suicide mission.